Quiet camp? Peanut 23/09/2009-22:24:29 x Is there going to be a quiet camp at this MVOR? IF so, will it be down by the river where campers can go or across the little bridge where they cant go?? Either way is fine, I just want to camp as close to the action as possible.Loud is ok by me!!...It is MVOR rite? RE: Quiet camp? Big Joe 24/09/2009-05:26:42 x A few of us are wondering the same thing but have not got a definete answer. Need to be far away from the quiet camp RE: Quiet camp? Jim Sherrell 24/09/2009-12:09:31 x I have talked to the landowners Anyone wainting to be LOUD will be assigned the area across the road from the entrance gate they have 65 acres there. It is far from the river.The entire area neaxt to the river is the ``quite zone`` espicially after midnight. due to the layout of the property and neighbors there will not be a LOUD ZONE. I am a rock-n- roller and love loud music as much as anyone, but no one has the right to infringe thier music over the entire camp. Everyone has the right to enjoy this site. We are expecting everyone to party and enjoy themselves and act decent IF you want to be LOUD tell me when you come in and I will direct you to that area far away from the river. If you become obnoxious, you will be told to relocate. Big Joe contact me personally. Remember this a NSS gathering, not a frat party. RE: Quiet camp? Big Joe 28/09/2009-05:07:51 x Not sure what to say???? If there is a problem please feel free to give me a call. thank you RE: Quiet camp? noisy 28/09/2009-11:17:14 x Should the other 75% of the mvor people contact you personally too ? RE: Quiet camp? Schmitt 28/09/2009-13:49:44 x Yeah, whats up with this? Still not clear on where I am going to camp. From what I have read on here, sounds like the Club 69/MVG camp is going to be in some sort of weird loud but not too loud area? Can I take my small pop-up there? I seem to remember Kareoke till 3am at the last MVOR.... RE: Quiet camp? curmudgeon 28/09/2009-14:47:03 x >>>Remember this a NSS gathering, not a frat party.<<<< Yeah, some seem to miss that. I`m also an old head banger but never understood the cavers that go to MVOR and act like they just had their first beer. Now naked girls around the campfire,,,,we need more of those. RE: Quiet camp? Loud Caver 28/09/2009-16:49:32 x Not to be a jerk or anything but, The MVOR has always been loud and late. I keep hearing about how the loud folks infringe on the quiet folks rights. What about the rights of the loud people being infringed by those that think it should be like camping at a KOA? Are we getting too old? Where the land owners told up front what kind of group we are (ie loud)? I don`t want to cause a problem with the land owners or quiet campers but this is not new. Having said all that, I am still confused. It sounds like there may be three areas. Quiet, loud till midnight, and really loud till whenever. Is this correct? RE: Quiet camp? COUNTRY TROY 28/09/2009-17:00:32 x AMEN MY BRETHREN !! Ok nobody wants to make anyone mad. But I agree totally with these other posts, HMMM where to camp??/ Just put Batl and club 69 in another field, yeah that sounds fun.NOT!! We are part of MVOR, just tell us where to camp??.. Im with Tony, kareoke until 3 , thats Ok by me !.. and remember this is the furthest thing from a KOA campground with ranger rick coming around at midnight telling us to be quiet.. ITS MVOR !!!! RE: Quiet camp? Schmitt 28/09/2009-17:43:09 x Hey curmudgeon, there are those out there that would poo poo the naked chicks around the fire as well. I dont care if there is or isnt a loud/quiet area, I just want to know what to expect. I hate radios at MVOR, be as loud as you want WITH YOUR VOICE! As far as getting to MVOR and acting like you had your first beer, lighten up man, I was 16 at my first MVOR, and I am 34 now. I think I may have actually had my first beer at an MVOR. Anyway, just trying to figure out where I am camping, not trying to piss folks off.... Tony RE: Quiet camp? COUNTRY TROY 28/09/2009-19:17:50 x If you find out Tony, let me know!!! RE: Quiet camp? party 28/09/2009-20:15:55 x Hot tub this year? RE: Quiet camp? PMS 28/09/2009-20:26:15 x Maybe we should invite some girls from The Pony in Poplar Bluff? RE: Quiet camp? Chad McCain 28/09/2009-21:12:14 x I think some of you are forgetting that the ability to be loud and obnoxious at the MVOR is on an event by event basis, as the layout of the land, proximity of neighbors, and other circumstances may not allow for someone to roll up their trailer with their 10,000 watt stereo/generators, and play rob zombie at 140 db until 4am, like at the last MVOR. Not every site that can have a MVOR is as spread out as others, with absolutely no neighbors around. You should realize this and not get upset when you are told you cannot be as loud as you want, all hours of the night. While I personally don`t care who is loud and who isn`t, I also realize that this is still a family event, children are present, and the noise i produce being a drunken asshole will travel to those sites with children, so I keep my noise to a minimum. This is just me of course, but what do I know, this is only my 2nd mvor and im a relatively new caver, :D That being said, whats with all the anonymity? RE: Quiet camp? COUNTRY TROY 28/09/2009-22:08:45 x No problem here!! I love everything about MVOR!! BTW.His name is Big Joe and next time just ask him to turn it down, he would have done it, hes very polite and a nice guy. Or come find me and I would make sure it was turned down!! RE: Quiet camp? Schmitt 28/09/2009-22:17:07 x Well Chad, I have to disagree with you. THere is nothing in the MVOR constitution that says this is a ``Family`` event. There is nothing that says it has to be a loud party either.With that being said, I would NEVER bring my kid to an MVOR, and she has been told she can not attend until she is 21. This is an event for cavers, and there has been a looong tradition of it being rowdy. (You should see some of the pictures from the 70`s) I am not saying that so and so is a bad parent for bringing there kid, but not everything can be ``kid friendly`` all the time. I like kids as much as the next guy, but I dont want to party around them. I cave all year long, and I hardly ever cave at MVOR. MVOR is a place to meet new cavers, hang with old friends (some that I only see at the MVOR) and be social, not cave. Twice a year I let my hair down and blow of some steam. This dynamic between the loud late nighters, and the not so loud has been succsefully dealt with by having a ``loud`` zone, and a ``quiet`` zone. This is repeated at caving events nation wide, its nothing new. Sooooo....all I wanted to know was where is quiet/loud camps. But i think its too late, Jim and company are probably already on site preparing for all of us to come have a good time, so no big deal, I will figure it out when I get there. My unsolicited 2 cents... Tony RE: Quiet camp? Schmitt 28/09/2009-22:20:11 x I do agree with you about the radios, they suck. Bring a damn instrumant if you want to play music. RE: Quiet camp? COUNTRY TROY 28/09/2009-22:40:29 x Well said Tony, my kids WILL NOT come to an MVOR for a while. AND they are 12 and 15. RE: Quiet camp? COUNTRY TROY 28/09/2009-22:43:56 x BTW. I bring a tote full of intruments !!! RE: Quiet camp? Blackie 28/09/2009-23:10:30 x Can I bring a Marshall stack? :) RE: Quiet camp? Chad McCain 29/09/2009-00:41:28 x Tony, I see your point. I figured since I saw a couple kids at MVOR, not including my 2 month old at the time, lol. sooo I figured it was a family type event. Sort of a place that not so cavers can come caving with people who do go caving a lot. All I really meant was, sometimes, I would imagine, the setup wouldnt allow for people to be blasting 10k watts of music all hours of the night. Not because of other campers, but because of neighbors a mile down the road who may get pissed. As for kids, this will be my last kids MVOR, as next time he will probably be getting old enough to start picking up bad words ;) RE: Quiet camp? Chad McCain 29/09/2009-00:53:11 x That being said, i could bring my 7 piece drum workshop set ;) RE: Quiet camp? Schmitt 29/09/2009-01:09:34 x No worries Chad, That would be funny as hell if you brought your drum set... RE: Quiet camp? Big Joe 29/09/2009-05:40:27 x    I did not realize that the music was not liked. Kinda funny since I really dont even jack with it once it gets going. Seems like everyone around is bringing there own stuff and kinda taking over. Takes awhile to figure out who the piles of cd`s belong to once sunday rolls around. I realize everyone probably does not like some of the music being played some of the time (Rob seems to get brought up alot) if you dont like Zombie feel free to bring your Elton John collection over and rotate it in. I honestly did not mean to start a big conflict. I guess I just did not realize that we where acting like a ``frat party`` while everyone else was trying to have a good time. My Bad. Sounds like we will just shut it all down at midnight and see if there is an area to gather in for the people who may choose to chance it and push it on out to say 12:30-1 oclock. I realize that sounds a little crazy but I am sure there are some youngsters around that may want to do that very thing (God Bless Em).    Regardless there will be fun to be had maybe some caves to be seen and rivers to be floated and alot of fellowship with some like minded (and some not) people. Lookin forward to seein everyone. OUT Big Joe RE: Quiet camp? Big Joe 29/09/2009-05:50:07 x Wow I was rambling. Again My Bad Just wanted to say THANK YOU very much Jim for what you are doing. I know it is not an easy task, but it is much appreciated even if you dont hear it. Thanks Again Big Joe RE: Quiet camp? Chad McCain 29/09/2009-12:03:01 x Joe, I like rob zombie, lol. I just don`t like partys that have music so loud, that I can`t talk to someone without yelling. I love to have a good time, but I also like to talk and socialize. Extremely loud music makes it hard to do that, and its hard to sit around the camp fire with the guys, telling stories and getting to know new people, when you can`t talk without yelling at them, or you can`t hear what someone has to say because music is so loud. At the last mvor I met tony and we had a conversatio about project caves, but it was hard to have a real in depth conversation with him, or even get to know him becuase the music was so loud we had to yell at each other, bend over and get an ear next to a mouth to be able to hear. This is just me, but live music is great, but stereo`s at outdoor campout`s sort of ruins the atmosphere for me. Kind of like those guys you see floating down the current river on tubes with radios strapped to the top of their coolers with music blaring for the whole valley to hear. I am rambeling too, and I am sorry, just trying to convey why some of us (me) may not like extremely loud music all hours of the night. It just makes it hard to socialize and get to know new people, which is what MVOR seems like it should be about. No kids JT in SPG 29/09/2009-13:44:37 x I agree with all ya, I do not think kids should be brought to the MVOR. I`ve missed years with of MVORs because of my kids, and I dont mind. JT RE: Quiet camp? Jim 29/09/2009-13:49:41 x The challenge here is that everyone has their own idea of what the MVOR event should be and the only correct answer is: ARTICLE II -- PURPOSE The purpose of the MVOR is to promote the conservation of caves within the caving community of the MVOR area of the NSS, within the guidelines set forth by the NSS policy of cave conservation, and to promote fellowship and safety among those involved. The party that accompanies it has morphed over the years into it`s own thing. Judging by the attendance at most meetings, there is a substantial percentage of folks who don`t realize the purpose of the event. Since there is nothing in the constitution governing activities other than the business meeting, everyone develops their own expectations...none of which are right or wrong. But like any expectation they are subject to a test of being realistic or unrealistic expectations. There are many paths to ``fellowship``. The party portion of MVOR will become what the majority wants it to be. In the caving world, that leans toward an adult-oriented, alchohol-consuming party. I base this observation on MVORs, conventions and cave trips to the heart of Ozarkistan. But just like a Bell Curve, most of us fall in the middle with extremes at either end. Those who come to MVOR with the idea that it ``should`` be a family event with lights out at 10pm have an unrealistic expectation either because they haven`t been before or they just continue to hope for something else despite the norm. In the same way, those who feel that no one will care if they keep us all awake until 4am and their actions should be tolerated because that`s what they expect, are off the mark as well. The great majority of us are done by 2am or so. So thinking that no one should care just because it`s MVOR is unrealistic. The more that the polar ends can move toward the norms of the majority, the easier it will be to find ``fellowship``. RE: Quiet camp? Jim Ruedin 29/09/2009-14:01:45 x I meant to put my last name on the previous post. RE: Quiet camp? Schmitt 29/09/2009-14:03:07 x Jim (which jim?) well said, I couldnt agree more. Chad TOTALLY agree on the radio thing. I dont want to hear a radio blaring ALL DAY much less into the night. BIg Joe- listen to your radio, just keep it to a volume that you can hear in YOUR camp, not mine. OK, done. Can we go to MVOR now and have fun. Chad, come over to my camp and meet my wife, well talk project caving. Joe, your welcome to come on over and we can properly meet (hopefully when I am sober ;-) )   tony RE: Quiet camp? Jim Sherrell 29/09/2009-14:19:23 x The ``Quiet Time`` is at the insistance of the landowner. He put ``the midnight clause`` in the MVOR rental agreemeent, there are a lot of neighbor across the river thst he does not want to offend. Hw will be the one left with the consequinces. The MVOR Constitution states that we honor the Landowners rules. This is a nice historic spot I would like to think that we would be welcome to return again. I would very much like to see an MVOR where the talented musicians among us would bring thier Marshall Stacks, Drums sets, PA and lights and put on a show. If I host another MVOR I will try to include the talent night. Nuff Said. Lets all have some serios fun, enjoy the comadare of our fellow cavers ,and respect the landownwers rules. See Ya there RE: Quiet camp? COUNTRY TROY 29/09/2009-14:44:21 x I guess we will all figure out where were gonna camp when we get there.Quiet or not. RE: Quiet camp? COUTRY TROY 29/09/2009-15:07:23 x Jim, you are doing a fine job!! keep up the good work, I know how much time and effort it takes to put on an MVOR. The caving community should abide by all the rules so everyone can have a good time. Jim,Chad, and Tony, you all are VERY welcome to come by BATLs camp early or late.. ANYTIME !! RE: Quiet camp? Peanut 29/09/2009-17:16:29 x Wow !! Did I do that ? RE: Quiet camp? P.O.G.-Dustin 29/09/2009-19:57:35 x Quiet or loud, I`ll be there. Hopefully everybody can get along. I will be screaming BULLSHIT as long as I hear others doing it... Even if it is from across the field! RE: Quiet camp? The End... 29/09/2009-20:00:33 x End of transmission guys and gals come on... See you all there. :) RE: Quiet camp? Bgi Joe 29/09/2009-21:34:54 x Tony I have talked with you numerous times. As for the radio I am for whatever anyone wants because like I had said earlier I dont really even mess with it that much. So if you think it is to loud let me know and I will just shut the whole thing down cause I really dont care either way. I just thought the majority enjoyed it because they kinda take it over everytime. Thanks all C ya there Big Joe RE: Quiet camp? jtmc 29/09/2009-21:57:10 x The fact this post is continuing is pretty ridiculous. Whether it`s a family function or not, (in theory) everyone is there to cave and have fun. Shouldn`t we all practice a little common courtesy in this situation? So maybe you wouldn`t bring a child there, but you should recpect that another would like to do so. I personally love to party and was up really late Friday and Saturday last MVOR. When it came to getting up in the morning and go caving, I was freggin useless because those who couldn`t turn the music down just a little bit kept me up until the sun started rising. I was in the quiet camp and heard every word to that god awful karaoke :) It seems as though the loud party-all-nighters are getting a little insulted they are being asked to move a little further. Honestly it seems pretty fair, you either tone it down just a little bit and camp where you please or you choose to be up until the wee hours in the morning and have to camp somewhere else. You can still party hard with the volume down a bit. You have the right to party, but we should also have the option to sleep. Along with keeping nearby neighbors happy. We want to show them we are respectful and thankful for the opportunity to stay in the area. RE: Quiet camp? COUNTRY TROY 29/09/2009-22:15:07 x Last MVOR, in my drunken state I think I went to bed at 1:30 am . Just to be awoke by friends and grotto lifting the trailer I was sleeping on and dropping it on my cooler !! Then later went back to sleep and listened to the karaoke sounds until about three. Point is this, its MVOR and I dealt with it !! .. I wouldnt change a thing !!!!.. except I still need a new cooler !! lol RE: Quiet camp? Loud Caver 29/09/2009-23:09:50 x I think that the solution to the whole issue of quiet vs loud is the quiet area and the loud area. When the organizer decides to rent a camp site that states there is a 12 o`clock curfew, that is unrealistic. It is unfair to the late nighters and it is unfair to the land owners. He should have said ``OK then we will need to rent somewhere else, because I can`t promise quiet after midnight``. I will do my best to keep it down after midnight, but not everyone will. I have been to too many MVOR`s to think any differently. While I appreciate all the hard work that Jim and company have done, he should have known better. I really do hope that I am wrong, but I think we will end up with a PO`ed land owner. Let`s all make a serious effort to ensure this doesn`t happen. Cave On and Party On (quietly) RE: Quiet camp? Pam 30/09/2009-01:49:50 x I`ve stayed out of this convo, but I will jump in to say one thing...not ALL MVOR`s have been insanely loud after a certain point in the evening, so it`s really not unreasonable to ask people to keep it down a bit as of Midnight. Are they saying we have to all creep to our tents and ``lights out`` at midnight? Nope, they`re just saying no really loud music or fireworks or whatever else we make loud noises with after midnight. You can stay up until dawn if you want to...you can dance naked around a fire until dawn if you want to.....as long as it`s not so loud that be piss off the neighbors. I know it can be done.....if I recall correctly, the MVOR that Kerry Rowland hosted was not rowdy until all hours of the morning. There were people up all night, sure...but the loudest thing I remember at that MVOR was somebody`s car alarm going off at insane times. RE: Quiet camp? Sam I Am 30/09/2009-05:05:24 x Ha! I remember that damn car alarm. That was the most obnoxious thing the whole weekend! Lol! RE: Quiet camp? Big Joe 30/09/2009-05:09:09 x Not a big deal lets just keep it downn. I know at least one night at the last MVOR it was not my trailer blaring to all hours of the morning cause I remember catching hell for crashing early (well earlier than the majority). I am sure it can be done there will just have to be alot of reminding to do. As for picking and choosing sites. That is way easier said than done. So I am just thankful for what we get. Again thank you to everyone who has a hand in this one RE: Quiet camp? Schmitt 30/09/2009-13:50:11 x The last KR MVOR was one of the best in a looong time. Cozy and comfortable. God, is it friday yet? T RE: Quiet camp? COUNTRY TROY 30/09/2009-14:52:00 x still waiting............. RE: Quiet camp? Chad McCain 30/09/2009-15:15:21 x bleh, have fun, I wont be there to complain about the music, I have to work all weekend now. meh RE: Quiet camp? COUNTRY TROY 30/09/2009-15:50:45 x Work over MVOR ?? unheard of. RE: Quiet camp? Big Joe 01/10/2009-03:31:30 x wow where is the priorities???   I think I changed my mind forget about friday I should be there tomorrow evening. I talked to the camp on the phone today and said it was good to go for an extra $20 for every night before friday night. Small price to pay to get away. They said something about some jobs for me to do this weekend. Just laughed a little and wished em luck with that. Got to have those priorities. Well I will c whoever is there tomorrow and everyone else as they show up. Lookin forward to it. Out RE: Quiet camp? Chad McCain 01/10/2009-15:23:39 x Yea yea it sucks, but unfortunately my priority is keeping my job, haha. My businesses busiest time of the year is late sept/october. blahhhhhhhh RE: Quiet camp? COUNTRY TROY 01/10/2009-16:08:34 x I was called a yuppie caver once just because I HAD a job !! lol RE: Quiet camp? Chad McCain 02/10/2009-15:51:07 x yuppie, hah. I don`t see how someone can afford to go caving w/o a job. Gear is expensive. Food stamps and welfare isn`t a very conductive means of living a cavers lifestyle either hah RE: Quiet camp? Big Joe 25/10/2009-22:27:34 x I think the answer is work for yourself. That way you leave when you want you just dont get paid for it, but I will trade paid vacation for being able to take as much as I want (or can afford) at anytime I want. OUT RE: Quiet camp? Chad McCain 31/10/2009-02:05:13 x WEll I was able to show up for a few hours. I was working a file 30 miles away as luck would have it. I would agree with you about being your own boss; however, I am not in the position to start my own private investigations company at this point in time ;) RE: Quiet camp? Al Key 31/10/2009-14:12:59 x Al Key.... Self Employed Cave Investigator RE: Quiet camp? laddyda 31/01/2010-02:02:01 x why is this post going on and on it isnt like its woodstock or something....ts all about common courtesy.....vendors row is alwys mellow but cool to hang at.... somewhat mllow. theyll let you hang and crash there... <back> <Return to the MVOR message board> REPLY Name Mail Subject

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